NPR journalist Michael Copley believes that companies and investment firms are not abandoning environmental, social, and governance (ESG) investing, but rather becoming less vocal about their actions. Despite some states withdrawing funds and implementing laws against ESG investing, Copley suggests that there is no evidence of a fundamental shift in companies’ investment decisions and consideration of material risks. While there has been a decrease in public discussion about ESG practices, Copley argues that this has not affected companies’ approaches or perceptions. However, there is some hesitation within the insurance industry, as seen in companies withdrawing from emission-reducing groups. This trend indicates that companies may be toning down their public engagement on ESG matters while maintaining their underlying investment strategies. The ongoing debate surrounding ESG investing highlights the extent to which companies are actively integrating environmental, social, and governance factors into their decision-making processes.